Lab Created Diamond????? Yet another scammer for YG"S list

[dbucfanGG]

Originally Posted by Lee Little

Hey guys,
It stumps me as to why people put so much value on diamonds. Ideal cut CZ and white zircons look better to me, even without considering the huge price difference. Take away the hype and what have you really got?? I admit that I have been under a rock most of my life but am I missing something here? I am always waiting to be enlightened, perhaps that's the problem in itself..... Lee

It's all personal preference...White zircons look lifeless and dead to me, and CZ looks like plastic.
Diamonds have a warmth and sparkle truly unlike any other stone...this is NOT marketing jargon...i ACTUALLY feel this way.

[Jung Kee]

I am prone to agree with dbucfanGG, but it may be our indoctrinated heads saying so. Aside from that, where do you ever get ideal cut CZ and white zircons? I've never seen a well cut CZ in my life, and white zircons are just about impossible to cut "ideally" in the sense of achieving optimum return of light from the stone, since the doubling makes the stone "giddy" however well cut.

[The Other Robert]

Well, I have seen an ideal (or near to it, at least very well cut) cut CZ, though I haven't encountered many white zircon. There are three differences that set diamond apart from the others, lets say well cut CZ for example. First off, which could be chalked up as hype if you wish, is the rare factor. A stone that is millions of years old, a mistake of nature, yet composed strictly of the most abundent substance in the world. Secondly, and more for the gem lover, diamond looks endless under a loupe. fine sharp facets rarely if ever achieved in any other stone as well as an internal appearance that is different than any other. Finally, and most useful, a 10 out of 10 on the mohs hardness scale. This is the most important, as it means your diamond will hold up better than your CZ. its something that can be passed down through generations... i've run out of steam, but you get the picture.

[Crystal Star]

I venture to say that if you were to put the same sizes of the three stones mentioned, into identical ring settings, and wore them next to each other on the same hand, it wouldn't take long to see why the diamond wins hands down, in any kind of light, or even very little light, Lee. The others just don't have the same qualities, so they cannot produce the same results, even if they can come close. And then there's the mohs factor of 10 that's the final determining factor, since they'll stay looking just as nice as they do when they're new, forever (barring any accidents caused by their brittleness).

Aside from that, there are those of us who are purists, who always go for the natural item, over the created, whether it be gems, healthcare, fabrics, or whatever. And just as with healthy food, it always seems to cost more if the additives and pesticides that make the food look more appealing are left out, and the product is 'natural'. With gems, it's also like the difference between people who put their money into name brands, even with inflated prices, like Coach bags, or Louis Vitton luggage, versus people who just want others to think they have the real thing, and get the knock-offs instead. It's individual preference, generally determined by how much one has to spend, and seems to change as finances increase, in most cases.

[Lee Little]

Originally Posted by dbucfanGG

It's all personal preference...White zircons look lifeless and dead to me, and CZ looks like plastic.
Diamonds have a warmth and sparkle truly unlike any other stone...this is NOT marketing jargon...i ACTUALLY feel this way.

The way a seller feels matters alot. Some diamonds certainly look more lifeless than other stones, as well, yet cost dramatically more. Great diamonds do stand out....but for the prices, justification becomes difficult for me. Stand by your feelings. Best regards, Lee

[Lee Little]

Originally Posted by Jung Kee

I am prone to agree with dbucfanGG, but it may be our indoctrinated heads saying so. Aside from that, where do you ever get ideal cut CZ and white zircons? I've never seen a well cut CZ in my life, and white zircons are just about impossible to cut "ideally" in the sense of achieving optimum return of light from the stone, since the doubling makes the stone "giddy" however well cut.

Ideal cut CZ can be bought very cheap from many places like Fire Mountain Gems or Rio Grande. The vast majority cannot tell them from diamonds even though they cost about $2.
Interesting point about doubling on white zircons. Thailand does sell lots of ideal cut white zircons. The fire is strong. Giddy? ....maybe...I certainly need to be more sensitive. People think they are diamonds when they see them and they are cheap and natural. Not saying these imitations are better, just wondering how to justify moving decimal points several places in price when selling diamonds. Thanks, Lee

[Lee Little]

Originally Posted by rsmalser

Well, I have seen an ideal (or near to it, at least very well cut) cut CZ, though I haven't encountered many white zircon. There are three differences that set diamond apart from the others, lets say well cut CZ for example. First off, which could be chalked up as hype if you wish, is the rare factor. A stone that is millions of years old, a mistake of nature, yet composed strictly of the most abundent substance in the world. Secondly, and more for the gem lover, diamond looks endless under a loupe. fine sharp facets rarely if ever achieved in any other stone as well as an internal appearance that is different than any other. Finally, and most useful, a 10 out of 10 on the mohs hardness scale. This is the most important, as it means your diamond will hold up better than your CZ. its something that can be passed down through generations... i've run out of steam, but you get the picture.

A mistake of nature?,... that sounds interesting. Can you help me back that line up? Where is the mistake? Rare, I can see but maybe only as rare as Peridot. Endless under a loupe sounds good also, I like that line. Sharp facets is one I knew and they do look good. A finer appreciation of the internal appearance........I will have to develope that one. 10 out of 10 is great but most people think that means it will cut glass which almost any gemstone will do that trick. At least it won't likely get scratched but neither will most other gemstones and they are likely to not be so brittle. At any rate, sounds like you can sell diamonds!! Thanks, Lee

[Lee Little]

Originally Posted by Crystal Star

I venture to say that if you were to put the same sizes of the three stones mentioned, into identical ring settings, and wore them next to each other on the same hand, it wouldn't take long to see why the diamond wins hands down, in any kind of light, or even very little light, Lee. The others just don't have the same qualities, so they cannot produce the same results, even if they can come close. And then there's the mohs factor of 10 that's the final determining factor, since they'll stay looking just as nice as they do when they're new, forever (barring any accidents caused by their brittleness).

Aside from that, there are those of us who are purists, who always go for the natural item, over the created, whether it be gems, healthcare, fabrics, or whatever. And just as with healthy food, it always seems to cost more if the additives and pesticides that make the food look more appealing are left out, and the product is 'natural'. With gems, it's also like the difference between people who put their money into name brands, even with inflated prices, like Coach bags, or Louis Vitton luggage, versus people who just want others to think they have the real thing, and get the knock-offs instead. It's individual preference, generally determined by how much one has to spend, and seems to change as finances increase, in most cases.

Depending on the grade of each stone I would bet the results could be manipulated in favor of any of the 3 stones. If they all had to be the same low price then certainly the diamond would lose.
I like the purist idea as I am Macrobiotic anyway. That is useful to sell diamonds over CZ but doesn't help with Zircons. Reaching customers that shop by namebrands would make things easier for sure. I know I need to upgrade my customers. LOL. Thanks, Lee

[azurit]

I have one problem when it comes to diamonds. That is that they are so popular and expensive thanks to a big PR-jippo. Offcource gemstones does not sell them self, I know, but diamond is an extreme example. After all, they are not as rare in the earth crust as their prize on the market.

But anyway. I would love to become a diamond cutter. I like that it takes so much to cut a diamond. I like its weird but perfect structure that makes it impossible to cut in one direction but can be cut as butter in the next. Thats the argument that I fall for when it comes to diamond.

Me myself hate CZ. I love when I can point out one from not being a diamond. But on the other and I think that normal people should afford a nice looking, sparkling stone on their finger without feeling fake.

What future do you think natural diamonds have when we are living in times when the syntetics, that are so perfect, will invade (are invading) the market?

Have not the diamondindusty earned their (in some cases bloody) money too easie?

[dbucfanGG]

Originally Posted by Lee Little

The way a seller feels matters alot. Some diamonds certainly look more lifeless than other stones Usually saleable ones do not IMO, as well, yet cost dramatically more. Great diamonds do stand out....but for the prices, justification becomes difficult for me. Stand by your feelings. Best regards, Lee

The term "Wanna-be" comes to mind when thinking of alternatives. A very easily made, lab created wanna-be, kind of takes the fun and mystery of how nature creates these miracles called diamonds. I much prefer colored gems to colorless diamond for interest, but to compare in beauty a synthetic and white zircon to a diamond really seems unfair to the "wanna-be's".