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Hey.. everybody...
I just got some Jade bangles that I could gift my lady friends with.... Can anyone guess the price I purchased each for? :)
Robert, I hope you're ok with this image hosting site......
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No idea the price. Really jade? Wow; my mouth is watering already. :)
Gemma, I've PM'd you the cost ... Be a good gal and keep it a secret for the moment, will ya? :love:
BTW, you can compare the prices with the ones displayed on http://www.jadebangles.com/
and http://www.jadefromburma.com/jade/
I guess we have the same source. But owing to my geographic proximity near the Kachin region, the price advantage is definitely very very clear. I do not see any difference in my source price as compared to their various quality ranges. I have a uniform cost range.
And I would like to tell you an interesting story (which I could not due to my grandma's passing earlier)... 2 people came to meet me after having been referred to me from a border town in Myanmar. They brought along a 1.3 kg roch for analysis which I did free of cost for them and it turned out to be jadeite.
Now the catch is that this was found on MY side of the International border. :p The BIG catch is that there are boulders available ... only bug was that a lot of Myanmarese and Chinese people come and carry them away ... But now the locals have started preventing 'em from coming......
The advantage? Well, I am thinking of arranging training programmes for the villagers... (they are located in a very remote village called KWATHA which is more easily accessible from Myanmar than from India) and promote some sort of an industry for them. Wish me luck !!!
Are these the ones I've seen on EBay for a starting price of .99 cents?
No Snizz...
I am not an ebay seller or buyer anymore. I got them from Myanmar.
BTW, you can compare the prices with the ones displayed on http://www.jadebangles.com/
and http://www.jadefromburma.com/jade/
I guess we have the same source. But owing to my geographic proximity near the Kachin region, the price advantage is definitely very very clear. I do not see any difference in my source price as compared to their various quality ranges. I have a uniform cost range.
And I would like to tell you an interesting story (which I could not due to my grandma's passing earlier)... 2 people came to meet me after having been referred to me from a border town in Myanmar. They brought along a 1.3 kg roch for analysis which I did free of cost for them and it turned out to be jadeite.
Now the catch is that this was found on MY side of the International border. :p The BIG catch is that there are boulders available ... only bug was that a lot of Myanmarese and Chinese people come and carry them away ... But now the locals have started preventing 'em from coming......
The advantage? Well, I am thinking of arranging training programmes for the villagers... (they are located in a very remote village called KWATHA which is more easily accessible from Myanmar than from India) and promote some sort of an industry for them. Wish me luck !!!
Ah, I see that now that you have edited your original post to Gemma and added all of this additional info.... :)
cityfire
24-09-2005, 13:16
Apollo, I don't know how much you paid for the bangles but can you get cab?
Nice translucent bangles of Jadeite fetch real high prices.
"cab" as in cabochon, cityfire? I do get cabochons too but haven't sourced them yet. I just got some bangles to gift away.
Thanks for the assurance Doos. Sometimes after seeing the prices posted on the commercial websites, I feel so ridiculous reflecting upon the prices I am sourcing these bangles. And yes, I do get nice translucent ones too. Only thing is I am not charged a price differential unless the quality is very high like the imperial category. They come by the basket, so to say.
Actually, I pay the Burmese in Indian currency and since they prefer our currency to theirs, it is benefecial to both parties. And US $? That they would lap up :D
I am getting my Import Export Code no. soon. Then I would be able to send you girls overseas some gifts as "samples" :D
I am getting my Import Export Code no. soon. Then I would be able to send you girls overseas some gifts as "samples" :D
Snizzy is an overseas girl! :hop: :hop:
This dude here is a real chivalrous fella, Szizz :love:
I'm blushing, Apollo :love:
Milady, upon mine honor, this knave wouldst go to the ends of the world to ensure thou thine bangle....
:D
Milady is now swooning...
...and she fears that if she does not come to shortly, YG will banish her next post to the General Discussions Forum :D
Well in that case, milady, thine Knight in Rusty Armor wouldst follow thou whereer thou might be exiled....
:D
Not that I am an expert, however my understanding is that the price of translucent jade bangles is comparatively high, due to the size of Jade you need to start with to actually get a bangle cut out of it. So you end up with a relatively small amount of the original material to produce it. I am however sure that the middle would not be wasted.
These days with modern machinery, they would be simple to manufacture, however antique jade bangles, which would have been cut by hand, and require great skill, command extremely high prices in the auction houses.
martin
cityfire
25-09-2005, 20:30
Apollo, Yes cabochons. I went to one of the sites and did a double take on the imperial grade.Would look great dressed in 18k gold.Don't know about swooning but I could sure grin rediculously!
Don't know about swooning but I could sure grin rediculously!
LOL! Save the swooning for us ladies, CF! Although if I knew that you were swooning - I would sure grin ridiculously :D
I have to agree with Martin - inexpensive Jadeite always makes me raise an eyebrow as there are so many imitations out there and I can't seem to find a jade expert anywhere - at least not in the US. I've read Anna Miller's section on Jade, but it still leaves me wondering about encountering it in an appraisal situation.
Any Jade experts out there?? Please speak up and make yourselves known!!
Yes... I'm no jade expert too and I would welcome all comments and expert opinions. That's why I posted this picture for. Pity, shipment is next to impossible till I get an IEC no.
If any of you guys require more higher res pics, I can post some more pic, each in the 1 MB range. For your info, the pics were taken on a cloudy morning, with NO external light source, no flash... just put on a chair with a white cloth as base.
Cityfire, let me look up into your imperial jade peice when I go to Myanmar next. I'll give it to you at cost price if you want it. (only these bangles are gifts... imperial jade... now I wish I had that kind of wealth to flaunt !!!! ) :love:
Bill Johnson
26-09-2005, 09:09
These fine jade bangles could easily run into the six figures. Alas, they are dyed. But you did well if you got them for under 100 Baht.
BJ
Then the best option I have is to get my own roughs from mother nature (not from any human source) and make my gifts for my lady friends with my own hands :love:
But you guessed the price pretty close.
isn't there a jadeite filter that shows up the dyes? my family buys a lot of jade and bit of green (1 cm sq) in an otherwise white bangle can cost $1000.
Bill Johnson
26-09-2005, 14:44
Jade filters ? I have not seen them but if you are good with jade, a visual on the colour is usually an indicator. Now I would think someone that is very good with a spectroscope and jade would be able to tell.
There were the fellows in a discussion a week or so back that were talking about spectrophotometers. That was interesting to me, but when I went back to re-read the postings they were gone. What happened to them?
If you want to have instant and definitive tests for dyes those spectrometers are the ones that will give it to you.
There were the fellows in a discussion a week or so back that were talking about spectrophotometers. That was interesting to me, but when I went back to re-read the postings they were gone. What happened to them?
Hi Bill,
Welcome to the forum!
You were probably attending the Sunday chat hosted by Frank - those are informal chats and the information is not logged. The only chats that are logged are the Saturday chats which are a formal teaching format, hosted by Doos and Annie.
Bill Johnson
26-09-2005, 17:35
You were probably attending the Sunday chat hosted by Frank .
Hallo Snizzy,
Actually I am new and have never attended a chat...but I am learning.
The thing I saw was some discussion between a ubx40 (sp?) and some Chinese doctor from a lab? ha! pardon my greenhorn.
In any case, how does one log on to a chat? And was Mr. Weldon on recently? How do I see the posts on that as well as past ones?
Bill
Hi Bill,
Oh, you must be talking about the thread between Ux4 and (Dr. Fong aka) Stone Group Labs. There was a problem with a potential virus attached to the thread and it had to be deleted. You could PM them for more info.
The student teaching chats are held on Saturday at 8:00 am EDT and the more informal Sunday chats are held at 3:00 pm EDT. Here is a link to the chat room: http://www.yourgemologist.com/ISGChatRoom/login.html
Here is a time conversion link to find the time in your specific timezone. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=8&day=7&year=2005&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=16
Here is the link to the logs that have been saved from the Saturday chats: http://yey.be/yglogs/ Weldon was in the chat last Saturday as a special guest and you will find the log at this link.
When we have special guests that are willing to host chats, Doos will post the information beforehand so that all can try to attend.
Hope this helps!
the jadeite filter, otherwise known as the chelsea filter, is often used by chinese jewelers to quickly sift through bags of jade that may be dyed. it seems SG is also another test to distinguish between jadeite, nephrite, and chrysoprase (all lookalikes)
http://www.tucsonshowguide.com/stories/may01/jadegemid.cfm
Bill Johnson
27-09-2005, 17:57
Snizzy, That link does not seem to work? Are others here able to open?
Aspen- Thanks for that info and link. Good to know the lowly chelsea is such a good tool. -Bill
'lowly?' i'm starting to feel sorry for the chelsea filter. i see you gemmologists have a real pecking order for the tools you use (the more expensive the better).
i'm just a new student and still pretty democratic about these things. (plus i don't have the money for a spectroscope, not even ux4's)
Aspen, that was never an intention of YourGemologist.com. In fact, the emphasis was on how to make your own equipment when you can't afford it. I am sure Robert will tell you he is a huge supporter of the Chelsea filter and encourages everyone to learn to use it. :)
'lowly?' i'm starting to feel sorry for the chelsea filter. i see you gemmologists have a real pecking order for the tools you use (the more expensive the better).
i'm just a new student and still pretty democratic about these things. (plus i don't have the money for a spectroscope, not even ux4's)
I LOVE my Chelsea filter!!! :love: No tool is too lowly for this gemologist!
Good thing you don't have money for Ux4's spectroscope - since it's not for sale! :p
Snizzy, That link does not seem to work? Are others here able to open? -Bill
Dunno Bill :confused: - the three links I posted all open fine for me.
Is anyone else having a problem with them? Let me know!
Good thing you don't have money for Ux4's spectroscope - since it's not for sale! :p
priceless huh? some things mastercard can't buy....
gemma,
can we conduct a poll of people's favorite gemmological equip and why? (or will i be hijacking the bandwidth?)
Bill Johnson
28-09-2005, 09:20
Favourite Gem Tool.
The Teeth. :D Bite specimen or scrape it across front of teeth. Tooth hardness tester is #1 and cost is $0! Comes with crano-nasal sound detector for extra hard specimens. Instant Results!
can we conduct a poll of people's favorite gemmological equip and why? (or will i be hijacking the bandwidth?) that would have no affect on the bandwidth IMHO. i think it would work to have just the instrument of choice to select without the comments and have people email you with their reasons why and then do a report for us. :) this may be of interest to new students who haven't a clue what these things really are. but those are just my thoughts.
LOL! yep, the teeth is great for distinguishing between organic pearls and plastic. although really fine Tahitian pearls seem a lot less gritty.
gemma,
i thought we'd do a simple poll with five (or more) choices that they can tick off and get an immediate comparison that way. they can just leave comments for the reason why. any suggestions for instruments of choice?
I would list the one's ISG discusses as important for a well-rounded basic gem lab: Chelsea filter, refractometer, polariscope, dichroscope, loupe, spectroscope, immersion cell, fluorescence viewer, SG liquid (hesitant because it it toxic but still, it's out there) and SG hydrostatic. Those are the main instruments discussed in the course anyway. Oh, and microscope.
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